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	<title>Comments on: Between a rock and a hard place&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.nearby.org.uk/blog/2008/12/08/between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place/comment-page-1/#comment-45416</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mike

Agreed we want the data to show up, hence cant use the API :(

I am weary about changing the submission process for three reasons

A) - we have an extensive back catalogue, would only be able to show new images, or have a &#039;opt in&#039; but many will not (or even able to) respond - so would ahve to track which could use. 

B) it sets a dangourus precedent, wouldnt want to start requesting extra rights to cover every eventuality

C) the fact that even Geograph only uses the Creative Commons - actully protects the archive. Geograph (should it turn evil) doesnt have any additional rights to the images - so it can&#039;t abuse - or sell out to some big evil corporation.

Although I would note that we have added additional terms to the submission process - so we can use the API for submission purposes - in this way we do request additional rights to the &lt;strong&gt;grid references&lt;/strong&gt; only - becuase that is all that is sent to the API - so its not compromising the licence of the image itself - and the GRs on their own are benign. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mike</p>
<p>Agreed we want the data to show up, hence cant use the API <img src='http://www.nearby.org.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am weary about changing the submission process for three reasons</p>
<p>A) &#8211; we have an extensive back catalogue, would only be able to show new images, or have a &#8216;opt in&#8217; but many will not (or even able to) respond &#8211; so would ahve to track which could use. </p>
<p>B) it sets a dangourus precedent, wouldnt want to start requesting extra rights to cover every eventuality</p>
<p>C) the fact that even Geograph only uses the Creative Commons &#8211; actully protects the archive. Geograph (should it turn evil) doesnt have any additional rights to the images &#8211; so it can&#8217;t abuse &#8211; or sell out to some big evil corporation.</p>
<p>Although I would note that we have added additional terms to the submission process &#8211; so we can use the API for submission purposes &#8211; in this way we do request additional rights to the <strong>grid references</strong> only &#8211; becuase that is all that is sent to the API &#8211; so its not compromising the licence of the image itself &#8211; and the GRs on their own are benign.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Blumenthals</title>
		<link>http://www.nearby.org.uk/blog/2008/12/08/between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place/comment-page-1/#comment-45407</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Blumenthals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry

I recognize that Google is grabbing more than they should but what else is new. But if one looks at the intent of the users submitting photos to your GeoGraph site, wouldn&#039;t they WANT the photos to show up in Google? Thus wouldn&#039;t a simple TOS on the submission make that explicit and allow you to use the Google API?

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry</p>
<p>I recognize that Google is grabbing more than they should but what else is new. But if one looks at the intent of the users submitting photos to your GeoGraph site, wouldn&#8217;t they WANT the photos to show up in Google? Thus wouldn&#8217;t a simple TOS on the submission make that explicit and allow you to use the Google API?</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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